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Emotional Support Animals (publicly viewable board) / Re: what breed?
« Last post by Sunflower on Yesterday at 09:19:14 PM »
Yeah, but things probably wouldn't go wrong for at least 60 seconds. That gives me 59 seconds of WHOOHOOO! With the last one second devoted to reminding myself it was probably a bad idea.  :biggrin:

Hahahahahaha!  Sounds like something my favorite sister would say!

ZF, that police dog who rushed the window at you should not have done so unless his handler was away and put him on guard. Bad manners from the cop there. I'd be calling the police department to see about having that dog evaluated. Get a new assessment of his skills and behavior.

The video of Ozzy and this last new piece sure told a different story. The parents were just starting up a protection dog training facility. They only had Ozzy with them 3 months. It was bred and raised in Holland, so I can imagine much of his training was done there. To quote Paul Harvey, "And now you know the rest of the story."

Something the child did set that dog off on his attack training. It could have been an accidental cue or something else that made that dog snap. From the words in the story, is sure sounded more like a full on attack than being too rough in playing. Even if the dog was tail wagging and nice, you still have a dangerous weapon there. Like a loaded gun. Sits innate and harmless till someone pulls the trigger.
That baby should have never been left alone with that dog.

The key to a good protection dog is absolute obedience BEFORE serious bite work. Once you start bite work, the dog can't go back mentally. He can't turn that drive off after you develop it, only control it. The dogs with the best willpower of control are the best protection dogs. Others, you're just managing sloppy work if they're not absolutely obedient and you can't control them.

I would not want to own a dog with bite training of any kind.. mine learn to hold an object during tug and release it on cue but that is as far as I would feel safe going.

It sucks having a dog you can't trust. I have one. Would rather a safe and sane non-bite trained (or inclined) dog.

I am scared of the K9 dogs- most of them in my area are out of control and very dangerous.
Oh dear. This brings back horrible memories. My friend's 10 year old son was killes by a dog team.
Emotional Support Animals (publicly viewable board) / Re: what breed?
« Last post by Kirsten on Yesterday at 07:35:46 PM »
You generally do better going with a rescue, and in particular a breed rescue, over going to a shelter.  What you describe is an issue with dogs behaving differently under stress than they do when they are relaxed.  A breed rescue that fosters their dogs in home with people familiar with the peculiarities of the breed will have adoptees that are more relaxed and behaving naturally and because they are living in homes the foster families should be aware of any glaring problems they may have.

What I most like to suggest is choosing a breed you like and then volunteering with a rescue for that breed.  Offer to foster one of their dogs in your home.  Take him home and try him out.  Do what you can for him to make him more comfortable and better behaved so that he is more adoptable.  If it happens to click that that dog is a match for your family, great!  You can adopt him.  If not, at least you helped a dog in need.  If it seriously doesn't work and you can't keep him until he's adopted, notify the agency and ask them to find a more suitable foster placement for him.  Explain clearly what the problem is both so they can notify the next carer and potentially future adopters, and so they better understand what sorts of dogs you are up for taking care of and what sorts are out of your comfort range.

Everyone wins this way.
Emotional Support Animals (publicly viewable board) / Re: what breed?
« Last post by Qamapak on Yesterday at 07:23:05 PM »
I worry about rescues. Too many of my friends have ended up with dogs who have serious health problems or bad traits that show up once they get comfortable in their adoptive home.

The first sixty seconds with a dog team are the craziest. The dogs are so insane to run that they are totally out of control.

I watched the video where the dog was greeting people. The handler told him to "foos" (spelling?) and it (the dog) was all over the place, definitely not in a heel position where it should have been after being given that command, it was all over the place during the entire video, never in heel. Were they just starting training on this three year old dog?
I tend to have a rule that if it is powerful enough to kill me I just try and stay away from it. I'm at face level for biting and I can't run away or really fight back. I've had to many eye opening experiences with dogs in public that wanted to destroy me. A miniature poodle I can laugh at, a Rottweiler or pitbull I do not.

so please do not assume you are safe around police dogs because in my experience, most of them are not safe.

This is good to know, although I wouldn't get near them intentionally anyway. The one that rushed me in the car was pretty dang terrifying. And I didn't do anything but approach the window so it was probably just protecting it's owner. But my face would have been pretty messed up without the glass and bars between us. I instinctively backed up a good 3 feet and he told the dog something in German and then i could approach the car again and it was fine. It amazes me how people can control a dog like that. I would be so afraid just holding the leash that it would turn on me.

I don't really get the draw to dogs with actual attack training as in biting people unless it is going to actually be chasing criminals or in the military.

I'll just stick with dopey Labs and Goldens or maybe a collie.
It's not the training per se that is necessarily the problem but the sorts of people attracted to dogs with that training.

I've known a good number of Schutzhund dogs, including upper level competitors.  Some were very successful therapy dogs and perfectly safe around children.  The problem comes when the wrong sorts of dogs are given amateur training or handling. 

Totally agree with this, and everything else you said. It's the people that have no idea what to do with a dog trained like this who want a "big bad guard dog" that is the problem.

The breed, if gotten from an experienced responsible breeder, is not. I have owned several rottweilers and live with a three year old female one currently. Mia is a big mush ball, she would NOT make a good service dog because she is so mushy, she'd stress out quick. However, she is a WONDERFUL pet, is great with the cats and the parrot as well as people. She's so mushy she will submissively pee on occasion.
I agree.  There are some dogs that I would trust in any situation.  Thelion's mother is like that.  There are some I wouldn't trust in any situation.  Namely a dog trained fast and hard in Germany with the intent to sell quickly.
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