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Wow Ariel.  What horrible thing to have gone through.  People are horrible sometimes!

It's clear that you love your dogs.  Jubi is an amazing dog and I'm so glad that she's going to be able to continue to do dog sports with you and her epic beard!
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Thank you all. Kirsten, I wish I'd thought to send you a PM. Honestly, I kind of dug myself into a bit of a secrecy hole. After I opted to have Saxon euthanized and posted to let people following know she wouldn't be coming home or have any more testing strangers from the Facebook SD community jumped out of the woodwork to testify as expert witnesses in various crimes I'd committed including (but not limited to): abusing Saxon, poisoning her so she'd get sick so I could have attention, euthanizing a healthy dog because I was a sociopath, getting bored of her and getting rid of her to get a new puppy. Strangers from the SD community PMed close friends and family members to demand to know what really happened to Saxon.

I had consulted several highly experienced GWP people, including a breeder that is a DVM with a dog with moderate hip dysplasia that went HiT in Obedience at our Nationals. I was unanimously told to keep doing everything with her because keeping her lean and fit would be the best thing for her if she was not experiencing any pain or lameness (as she never has). Had Jubi's hips in the xray from Friday not come back looking like that left hip would pass I probably would have taken the advice of Jubi's breeder and the people I trusted to seek the opinions of but lived in fear for the day someone got nosy and decided to search Jubi's registered name in the OFA database. Then I'm sure I'd get all sorts of hell all over again.

Every few months someone kicks Saxon's name back up again, the last thing I need is to have a dirty ethically questionable secret in hiding. Of course, it would be damned if I do, damned if I don't if I ever had to find Jubi a new home to prematurely accommodate a new service dog trainee puppy. That would just "confirm" that I get rid of dogs when I get bored and want to get a newer model. I'm just grateful my dog is ok, and secondarily that I'm not in an ethical crunch where I'd have to live in terror of convincing random entitled strangers that I know my own dog, I watch her, I listen to her, and out of absolute respect for her comfort, safety, and health, will do nothing but what I think is right by her.

Seriously, it just keeps rocking me over and over with hope that maybe Jubi will see the third birthday Saxon wasn't lucky enough to. As stupid as it sounds, it's like maybe a spell will be broken and maybe I'll get to have a service dog that can work for many years and gracefully retire to being a couch-warming, spoiled senior citizen. I have so much love and respect for this dog who currently is upside down on her back next to me with her paw draped over my arm. I will always do what's right by her and do everything in my power to make sure all my decisions about her are informed and thoughtful. Wow, nearly 4:00am thoughts that got all deep and sad. Yeah, just rambles. Thanks for sympathetic sighs of relief.
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That's great news, Ariel! I'm glad that Jubi is okay.
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Oh my. Just reading your post I got tense and then relived! So SO happy everything turned out okay. You deserve a break my friend.
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Health & Maintenance (publicly viewable board) / Re: MY DOG IS NOT DYSPLASTIC!
« Last post by Azariah on Yesterday at 10:06:54 PM »
I am so sorry you have gone through all this stress.

Casper was my first working dog and he had patella luxation (luxating elbows). Working him actually locked in his knee as muscle was built around it. We Had a non sedating scan done every 2 years to monitor. Never a hint of arthritis.

Rio actually has moderate hip dysphasia. She was in pain when we retired her at eight. We unretired her till this year and her pain went away. Weight loss and gentle exercise helped her a ton.

My friend has a dog where the entire litter got hip displaysia. The whole litter also has the Mach title in agility. Mom was spayed but did not slow down the offspring.

So not a death sentence. The supplements did help Casper and do help Rio. Particularly in the winter.
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Health & Maintenance (publicly viewable board) / Re: MY DOG IS NOT DYSPLASTIC!
« Last post by Kirsten on Yesterday at 09:38:28 PM »
Hon, I wish you'd talked to me about this at the time.

1.  Regular vets are generally not great at reading these films.
2.  I'll take the word of a vet who does a lot of OFA films and has been in practice a long time (to see how his interpretations turn out) over the OFA score, which can be a little flexible.

Positioning is extremely important.

Also, Ruby has a mildly displastic hip, which is why she was spayed.  At 12 she's finally showing a little bit of a hitch in her gait over it.  Her OFA good mother and OFA excellent father both showed some signs of arthritis and general old age at 12 as well.  So even if she was mildly displastic it's not a guarantee of problems to come.  You take common sense precautions and carry on.  Being active and trim will do more than anything else to secure good hip health for life.

Don't you think you owe that girl a congratulatory burger or ice cream for the sedation and having to watch you worry all this time?

:congratulations:
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Oh Ariel, I am SO glad to hear everything is okay with Jubi! She is such a spunky dog who lives and breathes working for you, and I know it sould break both of your hearts to have to retire her. You have been through enough with short-lived working lives of service dogs. About time you have a service dog that can actually help you for a number of years!

At least with this scare, you've been able to learn quite a bit about hip dysplasie. That will certainly be helpful in your future as a dog handler and owner.
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Health & Maintenance (publicly viewable board) / Re: MY DOG IS NOT DYSPLASTIC!
« Last post by Solace on Yesterday at 09:00:09 PM »
What a relief!  Dysplasia is a scary thing!
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Honestly, if a person is going to use their disability to try and justify "mistaking" child pornography for the rest of the totally legal adult smut on the internet, I think they deserve to lose their guide dog because I agree, a dog is an enticing prop to a child and makes him visibly appear much more welcoming and defenseless than if he had a cane. It also gives him reason to be hanging out at parks, lakes, and other places children play because he could say his guide dog enjoyed it. Honestly, if you try and use your disability as an excuse to avoid punishment, you deserve the flip side of the coin IMO.
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Health & Maintenance (publicly viewable board) / Re: MY DOG IS NOT DYSPLASTIC!
« Last post by Ariel on Yesterday at 08:30:35 PM »
Here are pics of Jubi's xrays.
https://imgur.com/a/4YO8w

They include the one taken at 17 weeks when she slipped on the teeny patch of hardwood floor in front of my door at my old apartment. I think I actually posted about that like two years ago almost when it happened. The red circles I've drawn is showing how much of the femoral heads are in the acetabula. Anything less than 50% of the femoral head covered by the acetabulum is considered dysplastic. The greater the degree of coverage, the better the grade would be. In the most recent xray both hips appear to show greater than 50% coverage, which would likely warrant an OFA Fair grading. OFA Excellent hips will have nicely rounded femoral heads that sit tightly in the acetabula and are almost completely covered.

The lines on top of the hips, at the knees, and at the ischial tuberosity (the pointed part of the pelvic bone) should ideally be straight across, which would show they are on the same plane. I've also drawn a line up the spine, because the spine should be straight and centered. I've drawn circles around the obturator foramen (circular holes in the pelvic bone) because those should be the same size and distance from the spine, and on the same plane in an ideally positioned hip xray.

The femurs ideally should be straight and on the same plane (shown by knees being aligned) with the knees rotated inward, but not over-rotated. In the newest xray which will likely get graded OFA Fair, it is a very good positioning but the left knee is slightly over-rotated. You can tell this because the left femur is not dropping a straight line parallel to the right femur. This over-rotation is confirmed when looking at her knees. The left leg was pulled slightly harder than the right and slightly more inwardly rotated, and this shows up as the knees not being on the same plane.

Hip dysplasia is rated as Mild, Moderate, or Severe. Dysplasia can be either bilateral (both hips) or unilateral (one hip, as was thought to be the case for Jubi). Passing scores are Fair, Good, and Excellent. I've spent way too many hours this past month learning all about it, and I figured there are a few who enjoy learning but hopefully without the scary experience prompting the knowledge consumption. I figure some of you will get OFA and/or PennHIP xrays or minimally xrays for orthopedic structural evaluation for service work for your service dog, or may have already gotten them but don't know how to read them. So, yeah, with my scary month of no breathing, I've learned quite a bit!


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