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Title: Dog goes wild at Cats: Service pooch belonging to member of audience charges aft
Post by: responsiblek9 on December 06, 2017, 04:33:48 PM
 :facepalm: :headbang:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5150375/Audience-members-service-dog-charges-Cats-character.html

Happened in NY
Dog goes wild at Cats: Service pooch belonging to member of audience charges after Broadway actress during musical's opening number Jellicle

By Dailymail.com Reporter
PUBLISHED: 01:57 EST, 6 December 2017
Title: Re: Dog goes wild at Cats: Service pooch belonging to member of audience charges aft
Post by: SandyStern on December 06, 2017, 04:38:31 PM
Vest of the type advertised on Amazon: check.
Visible ID card attached to vest: check.
Mortified owner-- uh huh. 

Any guesses as to how much training and testing this dog has experienced?
Title: Re: Dog goes wild at Cats: Service pooch belonging to member of audience charges aft
Post by: ccunnin3 on December 06, 2017, 04:43:52 PM
I mentioned this in the fb group and I will repeat it here. I cannot believe this dog was not kicked out of the theater.
Title: Re: Dog goes wild at Cats: Service pooch belonging to member of audience charges aft
Post by: Ariel on December 06, 2017, 04:47:52 PM
I mentioned this in the fb group and I will repeat it here. I cannot believe this dog was not kicked out of the theater.

I'm going to echo this. I would be mortified as was mentioned the hander was (and rightfully so) if my dog got loose from me and ran after ANYONE in an attempt to attack them. You bet your Equus africanus asinus I wouldn't be staying. I'd be leaving and heading home to take my dog to the vet the first thing the next morning. That is NOT normal behavior of a service dog, and if that isn't in the dog's temperament, that's a serious symptom to a myriad of health conditions. If aggression IS the normal behavior of a service dog, it astounds me that the handler continued to use them a service dog. It's downright dangerous.

As a side note, you don't see many Kerry Blue Terriers. As a follow up side note, there's a reason they are not often used as service dogs.
Title: Re: Dog goes wild at Cats: Service pooch belonging to member of audience charges aft
Post by: OlgatheGSD on December 06, 2017, 04:51:18 PM
Would it be possible that the dog was removed and it just wasn't mentioned?

That said, I would book it if my dog did that. Leave town, change my name, retire my dog, the works.
Title: Re: Dog goes wild at Cats: Service pooch belonging to member of audience charges aft
Post by: SandyStern on December 06, 2017, 06:04:51 PM
Hah! Right there with you, Michelle. Witness protection program for me.
Title: Re: Dog goes wild at Cats: Service pooch belonging to member of audience charges aft
Post by: Kirsten on December 06, 2017, 06:08:35 PM
I saw Cats live in a theater.  The cast members crept out among the audience in pitch black and then turned on glowing eyes.  I did not know they were going to do this, but I'd had a run in with Pa Ingalls the year before so now I make a point of telling the theater staff that I have a service dog and where I will be sitting and if the cast will be moving down the aisles or through the audience that the director should be made aware that there is a big dog at XX seat and the dog won't do anything but they should know it so they don't trip over him.

Mr. Maphisto (sp?) was the cat that came right up to our seat and turned his eye lights on.  Cole did nothing but look at him.  He thought the whole performance was rather boring.  He preferred the Ingalls one where his cousin was playing Jack, the dog and "School House Rock" where all the kids ran on stage at once squealing.  After that entrance though, he said it was boring.

Tardis saw a live action witch trial in Colonial Williamsburg.  He was young then, just two years old.  We were in the jury so he couldn't actually see the actress just hear her screaming and stomping on the stage.  Suddenly a fluffy head popped up between me and my sister to see what was going on, then he disappeared again because I was sooooo mortified that he broke his stay and paws-upped in my lap to see the action.  I had specifically asked about the ghost walk that we did before that and whether there would be anyone jumping out to scare us, because I didn't figure he was ready for that.  They said, "no," and then people did jump out.  Tar was cool about it, but he could also see the actors and wasn't just listening to them on the other side of a solid banister and feeling the floor shake.  I had to forgive him because Cole too had to peek over the solid banister at the high school to see the kids squealing and running on stage.  Then both settled down and chilled/snoozed for the rest of the performance.
Title: Re: Dog goes wild at Cats: Service pooch belonging to member of audience charges aft
Post by: ZombieFodder on December 06, 2017, 06:12:29 PM
Eh, Daily Mail is a tabloid. I need another source before I believe it. Not saying it didn't happen, I just don't really trust DM. I mean, I want to believe the National Enquirer really does have Sasquatch, but I don't.  :cool:
Title: Re: Dog goes wild at Cats: Service pooch belonging to member of audience charges aft
Post by: SandyStern on December 06, 2017, 06:12:46 PM
I hate theater and movies, but I go with my sister sometimes because she does things for me. In one production the director came out before the play began and said that there would be loud noises and flashing lights, so anyone with a service dog should be forewarned.  Good for them! SD#2 never woke up.
Title: Re: Dog goes wild at Cats: Service pooch belonging to member of audience charges aft
Post by: ZombieFodder on December 06, 2017, 06:34:43 PM
This was the only thing I could find from a source I may trust about it. Daily Mail, Page Six = Tabloid and gossip stuff that I consider not news. Like if this story was in the National Enquirer I also wouldn't trust it. I'm still not sure I trust it even being in a Broadway article now that I've seen it on DM, lol. I fell for one of these once not knowing what DM was and it turned out to be fake. So if the one and only source is ever DM, I call it fake.

https://www.broadwayworld.com/article/Service-Dog-Runs-Amok-During-CATS-Opening-Number-20171206
Title: Re: Dog goes wild at Cats: Service pooch belonging to member of audience charges aft
Post by: responsiblek9 on December 06, 2017, 06:39:48 PM
other sources for this story for the disbelieving-   a list.
https://www.timeout.com/newyork/news/a-dog-got-loose-at-cats-on-broadway-120617
https://www.broadwayworld.com/article/Service-Dog-Runs-Amok-During-CATS-Opening-Number-20171206
https://www.thecut.com/2017/12/dog-gets-loose-cats-musical.html
http://www.craveonline.com/mandatory/1350571-service-dog-crowd-chased-actress-cats-off-broadway-stage
http://metro.co.uk/2017/12/06/service-dog-audience-chases-actress-dressed-cat-off-stage-7136940/
https://pagesix.com/2017/12/05/service-dog-causes-chaos-at-cats-performance/
http://www.kgw.com/entertainment/buzz60/dogs-don-t-like-cats-even-if-they-are-just-people-dressed-in-costume/497313770









Title: Re: Dog goes wild at Cats: Service pooch belonging to member of audience charges aft
Post by: ZombieFodder on December 06, 2017, 06:53:07 PM
Like half these use gossip rags as the source, but Broadway and the actual news from Portland I'll go with since the Cats spokesperson apparently confirmed it. I wouldn't trust DM for anything reliable. Page 6 is like TMZ, better but with a grain or two of salt.

Having a dog do this would cause me to never use them again. Couldn't handle everyone laughing at me. Half of me is like, WTF hold the dog on a leash and the other half is like...oh man this poor guy.  :mellow:
Title: Re: Dog goes wild at Cats: Service pooch belonging to member of audience charges aft
Post by: qtrhorse89 on December 06, 2017, 11:12:26 PM
I don't think that image is of the actual service dog in question. It is copyrighted to Getty Images and that is a stock photo website.
Title: Re: Dog goes wild at Cats: Service pooch belonging to member of audience charges aft
Post by: NMA on December 07, 2017, 12:04:12 AM
My SD and I go to the theater regularly. We had a show with a real dog in it last season & someone (I think the house manager(?) came up to me to warn me about it. Tthe dog onstage didnít make any noise or anything to alarm my dog, but Iím guessing they either had an issue in the past or were being very proactive.
Title: Re: Dog goes wild at Cats: Service pooch belonging to member of audience charges aft
Post by: Henry Kisor on December 10, 2017, 11:45:00 AM
Sometimes dogs will be dogs at the most unexpected and inopportune moments. Terriers, for one, make great hearing dogs because of their high energy levels. They also have a tendency to be noisily protective when startled. In my opinion it's incumbent upon the service dog's partner to watch out for situations in which the dog might be startled into reacting . . . and, when it happens, to refresh the training of the dog, to come closer to the ideal of behavior. No dog is perfect and we should not pretend they are.

All this said, we don't know what the partner's disability was, what breed the dog is, where it was trained, how it was trained . . . or if the dog is even a real service dog. Best to reserve judgment until we know. (And of course the disability is private information.)
Title: Re: Dog goes wild at Cats: Service pooch belonging to member of audience charges aft
Post by: ccunnin3 on December 10, 2017, 01:59:34 PM
This is not just a failure of the dog's training. By law, the dog should have been on a leash. If we assume this is a real service dog having a very bad day (with a failed stay, failed leave it, and a failed recall), it is still gross handler error.

Can we say this was a fake service dog? No. We can't. We can say this is unacceptable conduct by a team.
Title: Re: Dog goes wild at Cats: Service pooch belonging to member of audience charges aft
Post by: Kirsten on December 10, 2017, 02:00:41 PM
Charging at someone is more than a small lapse of training, if that is what actually happened.  That's cause to remove the dog from public until an independent temperament evaluation by a qualified individual such as a behaviorist is done, then retrain and proof to the point that independent behaviorist and trainers are convinced that behavior is unlikely to recur.

The public have a right to move about their ordinary business without being threatened by someone's dog.

A dog who forgets his manners and sniffs or licks a toe, or gets the wiggles, or whines, or gives a bark of surprise or glee, those are all minor things that can be addressed on the spot.  But ANY aggressive behavior is legally grounds for the animal's removal and banning.  After one such incident the owner is then on notice of the animal's propensity and their legal liabilities may well rise should a second incident occur.
Title: Re: Dog goes wild at Cats: Service pooch belonging to member of audience charges aft
Post by: Kirsten on December 10, 2017, 02:05:51 PM
Dog was a Pomeranian.

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I worked that show & was the one to catch the dog. This story is blown way outta proportion. The show wasn't halted & the dog was a small brown Pomeranian dog that got a little too happy & jumped out of the owners lap & into the aisle while the actress was dancing in the aisle. Definitely not a service dog, most likely claimed as an "emotional support" dog. We've never had any problems with actual service dogs in all the years I've worked there
Title: Re: Dog goes wild at Cats: Service pooch belonging to member of audience charges aft
Post by: Suse on December 10, 2017, 02:43:05 PM
Sure would be nice if reporters would learn the difference between a Service Dog and an Emotional Support Animal.  That kind of stuff tends to raise  the public's eyebrows about Service Animals. 

I too am dumbfounded the dog was not on a leash being held by the handler...
Title: Re: Dog goes wild at Cats: Service pooch belonging to member of audience charges aft
Post by: ZombieFodder on December 10, 2017, 03:12:51 PM
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This story is blown way outta proportion.

Not surprised.
Title: Re: Dog goes wild at Cats: Service pooch belonging to member of audience charges aft
Post by: Ariel on December 10, 2017, 03:18:19 PM
I too am dumbfounded the dog was not on a leash being held by the handler...

When I went to my appointment at the pain clinic last week there was a woman in the waiting room with a Chihuahua. The dog was not vested and was not on a leash. The dog sat quietly on the woman's lap and neither the Chihuahua nor Jubilee were phased by the other, which made me grateful. The woman was called back first and she tucked her dog under her arm and picked up a small soft-sided carrier with the other hand. I have no idea whether the dog was a service dog or not, or if someone would have asked what the woman would have said. It's none of my business. I wouldn't want to not even carry a leash. A carrying case is not acceptable for a service dog no matter what size the dog is, and if it's a pet, even a quiet, well behaved one, I'd be even more nervous to not have a leash than an extensively trained SD.
Title: Re: Dog goes wild at Cats: Service pooch belonging to member of audience charges aft
Post by: punstersquared on December 12, 2017, 06:04:56 AM
You'd think such people would have more of a sense of preservation for their own dog, which could be quite hurt if they got loose outside or even if someone accidentally stepped on them, but of course their precious foo foo would never leave mummy's lap. Until they do. One of the first dogs out of place that I noticed when I started training Cricket was a pair of mini poodles that were completely sans leashes and I think collars which were riding in the top part of a shopping cart, where you'd put a toddler to sit. A dog that small could break a leg jumping down onto a hard floor from that distance.