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Heartworm reminder
« on: November 01, 2011, 12:39:37 AM »
Today is November 1st.  For those who give heartworm and/or flea prevention on the first of the month, this is your reminder.
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Re: Heartworm reminder
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2011, 12:44:51 AM »
Maigee got hers earlier today!  Thanks for the reminder!
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Re: Heartworm reminder
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2011, 03:57:51 AM »
It's also good to test your smoke and carbon monoxide detectors. If your alarm doesn't have a "test" button it's probably too old to be reliable. I suggest wearing ear plugs if you're sensitive to loud, high-pitched noises because you can still hear the alarm but if you're like me, it will be less likely to make you want to screech right back at the alarm.
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Re: Heartworm reminder
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2011, 03:40:18 PM »
WHen I read this, Hobbes, the harder one to catch and dose, was sitting in front of me on the dsk, so she got her first. Thanks for the reminder.
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Re: Heartworm reminder
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2011, 04:36:52 PM »
Quick question, Maigee had some bumps on the back of her neck which she had scratched.  The vet thought it was likely an allergic reaction she had itched open (they had some little scabs).  She was started on a course of steroids and it is doing a lot better, I can only find one bump at the moment.  But the question is I'm not sure if I should wait to give her her Advantix until it is completely healed or do it now but do it further down her back or what?  Any ideas?
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Re: Heartworm reminder
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2011, 04:50:59 PM »
I'd wait until it is healed.  Spot on flea treatments work by moving across the skin and being absorbed into individual oil glands in the skin, where they are excreted out again in the dog's natural oils to give time released coverage.  This is why you shouldn't wash your dog for a few days after application, so it has time to get into the glands.  Since it seeps across the skin, it could also seep into skin irritations.  So if it was my dog, I'd err on the side of caution and wait for the skin irritation's to heal.  If it were a bump with no broken skin, then I'd go ahead and apply normally.
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Re: Heartworm reminder
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2011, 04:56:51 PM »
Good point, Betsy.  I'll add that to the reminder for next month.  It's also a good time to test your dog's response to the smoke detector if your dog is responsible for signalling you when it goes off.

I'm still working on getting this reminder automated.  I happened to remember to post it this time when I dosed my own dogs, but I don't trust myself to do the reminders manually each month.  I often forget my own dogs' treatments for a few days because I'm not good at knowing what day of the month it is.  Last night was Halloween, so I knew.  :wink:
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Re: Heartworm reminder
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2011, 06:19:07 PM »
are there any benefits/disadvantages in administering the heartworm medication monthly as opposed to yearly or does it come down to personal preference and convenience?
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Re: Heartworm reminder
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2011, 06:33:28 PM »
I've always given the monthly and that's what my own vet recommends.  I never asked him about alternatives other than the generic vs the name brand.
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Re: Heartworm reminder
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2011, 07:28:07 PM »
Thanks Kirsten, that is sort of what I was thinking about as well, just wait until that last bump heals up a bit more.
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Re: Heartworm reminder
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2011, 05:43:22 AM »
Liz, I don't know if there are yearly heartworm vaccines.

The treatment I give is Heartguard and it is a monthly oral dose. Heartworms are carried from host to host by mosquitos, so pretty much you would need to give heartworm preventative any time of the year you have insects.

Some places it would be year round (example, Florida, due to humidity and the everglades swamp) other places it would depend on local envoronment (example might be Juno, Alaska where part of the year it is just too "blankety" cold for the mosquitos).

Last checkup I took Max to, vet did a heartworm test to make certain he wasn't infected before restarting him on heartworm prevention, so you might want to factor in the cost of yearly testing vs. giving the mendication each month.  Heartworms are also nasty painful for the animal and difficult to treat once the dog is infected. I had a work/stufdy type of internship at a vets when I was in High School, there was a dog that came in with heartworms, and it howled the whole time it was there. It was very disturbing to hear, and I couldn't sleep after hearing it. I spent that night reading my bible looking for something to settle my mind.

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Re: Heartworm reminder
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2011, 11:54:03 AM »
Thanks  did it!  :smile:
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Re: Heartworm reminder
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2011, 12:12:13 PM »
Leon is on a year-round monthly HW preventative and my vet still does testing once a year.
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Re: Heartworm reminder
« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2011, 07:35:16 PM »
Liz, I don't know if there are yearly heartworm vaccines.

My dogs get an annual heartworm vaccine with their yearly shots. My normal vet who comes to the house does it automatically along with C5.
If for some reason I have to have it down elsewhere, I have to specifically request both otherwise they deliver a standard C4.

Most vets in my area don't consider it necessary.
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Re: Heartworm reminder
« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2011, 08:07:15 PM »
As near as I can tell, you're talking about an injection of ivermectin, which is what we typically find in heartworm tablets.  I think, but do not know for certain, that it is not licensed for that use in this country (as an injectable for dogs--though it is licensed as an injectable for cattle).  I remember back when Ivermectin first came out in the 80's.  Back then I had horses and we thought it was a magical dewormer because it was injectable, which is much easier than trying to shove something down a horse's throat, especially when, at that time, the something was a rubber hose you stuck up the nostril and down the throat to the stomach and then you squirted the dewormer directly into the stomach to make sure the horse got the proper dose.  Now consider doing that every other month.  No, the horses didn't think it was a good idea either.  This was BEFORE paste wormers came out.  In fact, in this country (USA), I think paste wormers were a direct result of ivermectin being pulled because it was killing dogs.  It later reappeared in paste form and quickly became a preferred dewormer for horses.

What was happening and why was it pulled?  It had to do with dogs in Australia.  I'm going only by memory right now.  Certain breeds of dog are sensitive to ivermectin and it can kill them.  Collies are an example.  There were a number of deaths of collie type dogs in Australia and the FDA responded by pulling it from the market here.  But what they pulled was the injectable.  Considering I still remember this thirty years later, after a brain injury, and despite not being a dog owner at the time, you can imaging what a big stink it was.  Ivermectin did eventually return in oral form (a paste for horses and a tablet or chewable for dogs).  It also returned as an injectable for cattle.

I suspect, but do not know for certain, that the dosage was adjusted to make it safer, though some dogs are still not appropriate candidates for it.

And that's why I think an annual vaccination for heartworm is such a "foreign" concept to Americans.

As far as how long ivermectin works, I know it can work up to six months at least.  We give it monthly because it is easier to remember and because if you miss a dose when it's given every six months, you need to retest before starting up again.  This is why if you miss one monthly dose it is okay to just get back on your schedule.

I did recently ask a vet what you should do when you miss a dose, ie wait for the next one or give the missed dose when you realize it.  He said it was safe to give two doses even days apart, so you should go ahead and give it when you realize you missed it. 

Of course, you shouldn't just take my word for it.  You should ask your own vet to confirm this.  (Establish a protocol for your own dog when you miss a dose, under your own vet's guidance.)

So with the comment that some vets in caring's area don't think it is necessary, I also wonder if their incidence is as high as ours.  Some areas of the US are at greater risk than others, and I expect the risks from one country to the next may be different as well.  For example, in my area, we are advised to give it year round.  Where my sister lives, some vets will prescribe it for only half of the year.  It's a lot colder where my sister lives, and is cold a longer part of the year (which curtails insect activity during certain months).

In this country, we have to have blood drawn for a heartworm test either annually or biannually or a vet won't prescribe the medication.  The result has to be back before the drug is administered because the purpose of the test is to determine whether it is safe to administer.  If the dog is already infected and the heartworms have reached a certain level of development, then are suddenly killed at that stage, the dead worms can cause blood embolisms that kill the dog.  So the treatment for heartworms is different from the "preventive" even though the preventive doesn't really prevent infection, it just prevents the larval worms from reaching a certain stage of development where they can cause trouble.

Again, the disclaimer:  I'm not a vet.  I haven't researched this and provide no supporting evidence.  This is what I remember from various past events, news reports and my own discussions with vets.  Your situation may be different depending on your location and situation and you should consult your own vet before acting on anything I've said in this post.
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