Grapes

[Amber]

One thing that has been bugging me about the book we are reading - aren't grapes also poisonous to dogs?  The author mentions raisins, but also says that Pump likes to eat grapes.

I'm not done with it yet, but that is one thing that has been bugging me...

[HumSD]

Well, I'm not reading your book so I can't judge that. I do know that I once gave Mordecai (my first SD) 4 grapes once. He loved them and then had horrid diarrhea.  As far as I know, no grapes, plums, prunes or raisins.

[Ilghaus]

Problems with serious health issues and links lead to more indepth details.


I read in one report that there was a test group (can not remember how many dogs were in the group) but about 1/3 of the dogs became seriously ill.

Ingestion of grapes or raisins has resulted in development of anuric renal failure in some dogs.

http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/211106.htm

Although the exact substance that causes the toxic reaction is not yet known, it has been shown that even small amounts of grapes or raisins can prove to be fatally toxic for a dog.

http://www.petmd.com/dog/emergency/digestive/e_dg_grape_raisin_toxicity

And from snopes ....
http://www.snopes.com/critters/crusader/raisins.asp

[Lin]

I thought she mentioned grapes too? I remember when she mentioned pump eating them I jotted it down as something to discuss, but then only a few minutes later in the audio book it got to the "authors note" about them. But then there are some things I think she's wrong on in the book.

[Ilghaus]

I'm looking forward to the discussions on the book. I'm also looking forward to when I have time to get the book and read it. 

[Kirsten]

I noted it too.  She did mention in a footnote that raisins were a no-no, but did not mention grapes were also.

I'm moving this thread to the food/nutrition board.

[sunshineone]

At the time I am sure she did not know grapes were a bad thing. She did say afterwards that it has been found that grapes are poison.

Hum I have not read anywhere that prunes are bad. Occasionally my big dog gets a few and once she ate a whole pack. They were at the bottom of a grocery sack of can goods given to me by a food pantry. It is amazing what stuff they will eat and what they turn their nose up to.

[Cera]

Yup. Caught that too and was planning to bring it up during book discussion.

[Spectrum]

Yeah I noticed it too and was going to mention it. The footnote is about raisins, and does not mention grapes. Grapes are bad, too.

[Amber]

Thanks everyone.  I have a friend who mentioned how funny it was to watch her dog eat a grape yesterday and I wanted to be sure to have the right information before telling her something.

[labs4ever]

Agree on the grape thing,   I bet w all picked up fsimupar issues   in this book!   I  started a discussion thread for the book hop on over and take a look.

I   think it also has to do with HOW much of something bad a dog gets,  One of my dogs got  four oreos once and she was fine,   but  Choclolate  can kill dogs so...  I think it depends on ammount,  not that I am going to scientifically test that!   

[Cath]

It also depends on the size of the dog and the individual dog's tolerance. And not all items are of equal toxicity. What gets me with the grapes is the dog food manufacturers who put grape products in the ingredients list and claim that they've been proven to be non-toxic. Yes it might be in a small quantity in a dog food marketed at a fairly large breed, but that doesn't make it totally safe.

[HumSD]

Plums and prunes ( I believe same with grapes and raisins) can cause loose stools if you ingest too much.  A people serving of prunes could make a dog very sick.

[Spectrum]

HumSD, grapes and raisins cause much more than just loose stool. They can cause kidney failure, which is absolutely NOT good news in a dog (a cat can manage for a long time with renal failure, but a dog can't). The renal failure associated with grapes and raisins is even worse, because it's often to the point where the dog isn't producing any urine at all.

[silverpegasus]

Thanks for clarifying in this guys. I read that part of the book and stopped for a moment thinking I'm sure I've read something about those being bad before, but I wasn't certain. Then I promptly forgot I'd read it. I never fed them to my dog but after reading this thread, I will make sure not to in the future as well.