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Offline Spectrum

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Re: Not sure what to do,
« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2010, 11:37:21 PM »
There is no certification in the US. You have to be disabled, the dog has to have individually trained tasks to mitigate your disability, and the dog has to be well behaved in public. Then it's legally an SD.

You do not need to start with a puppy. I actually prefer not to, because right now especially I'm in no position to raise a puppy. I got Logan at just over a year old. His breeder socialized the [censored] out of him and started his training. He had some pretty solid obedience on him when I got him, which was great. I've had him for 5 months, and I expect to have him close to working full time by February at the earliest, but my actual goal is May/June of next year to be 100% full time. So that would be 1 year. But, I started with a dog that already had a good deal of training on him (he passed his Canine Good Citizen and Therapy Dog International tests 3 weeks after I brought him home, but I decided against sending off his TDI test to actually become a therapy dog). Logan also just got his Rally Novice title. Gavroche got his this spring, after I had him for 1 1/2 years. I only had Logan for 4 months when he got his title.  Generally, it takes 18 - 24 months to train a service dog, starting from scratch.

It's always a good idea to have another trainer, if nothing else than to have a second opinion on things. I have a good deal of trainig experience, but I still work with both my rally trainer and my dad, who has been training dogs for decades and has titled many, many dogs. My dad also has a working dog training background - including service dogs, sentry dogs, schutzhund, obedience, tracking, personal protection, SAR, he was a dog handler in the army, he trained for the Perdy Prison program - he's done a lot of different things (that being said, no service dog should have any personal protection/bitework of any kind, as the dog is then considered a weapon and it's not really a reasonable accommodation anymore). Between them and the people here, I'm always re-evalutating, adjusting, and trying new things. I also had a practice dog (Gavroche) to train all on my own before I ever got Logan. I didn't really intend for Gavroche to be my "experiement" dog, but that's kind of how it works out with your first dog. I've trained dogs before, sure, but never all on my own. Gavroche turned out pretty well, but of course I made mistakes. He's also just not SD material.

A service dog can be any breed - it doesn't need to be purebred. But often it's easier to find a suitable candidate from a good breeder. I suggest you have someone who has experience selecting an SD candidate help you choose a dog. Just going to a shelter and picking a dog is setting yourself up for failure. It may work out, but odds are it won't. The breeder I got Logan from actually had 2 dogs left from his litter, and I had my eye on the other one (Amos, a male sable smooth collie). But between the breeder (who also happens to be a dog trainer) and another mutual friend of ours (who has a very nice Borzoi SD) it was decided that Logan was actually the better candidate. And when I went and met them, I knew they were absolutely right. This breeder also does Early Neurological Stimulation. The difference between Gavroche and Logan when they're at a dog show or another stressful place is night and day. Logan is pretty much the same dog he always is. Gavroche almost shuts down and gets stressed. I got Gavroche at about a year old, too, but he was a stray and I have NO idea what his history is.

Training a service dog is different from just training a dog. If you've never done it before, definitely get help from someone who can point out errors before they ruin the dog, give suggestions, bounce ideas off of, etc. If I didn't have my dad, my rally trainer, and everyone here, there's no way I'd be comfortable owner training right now.
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Re: Not sure what to do,
« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2010, 11:52:36 PM »
Great explanation, Spectrum!
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Re: Not sure what to do,
« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2010, 11:55:26 PM »
Spectrum's response should be developed into an article for SDC.

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Re: Not sure what to do,
« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2010, 11:58:41 PM »
Roxie is starting to channel me.  So who twists Spectrum's arm, me or Roxie?
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Re: Not sure what to do,
« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2010, 12:01:41 AM »
Darn, Roxie, Kirsten's brainwashing you  :raspberry:

I'll try to get it cleaned up over the weekend :wink:  I almost LOST that post!  My internet crapped out on me and when I hit the back button it was gone...but I clicked the forward button and resubmitted it and it was spared :swoon:
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Re: Not sure what to do,
« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2010, 12:05:30 AM »
Spectrum has 2 arms. You and I are 2 people. That leaves us 1 Spectrum arm a piece!!!!

Spectrum, I'm serious... how you wrote that response, and it's content and feeling...plus accuracy needs to be developed into a education and resource tool for people considering SD life. 

You know I can be a hard critic and skeptic (or is it septic? ha ha) If I say something is good... it is more than good... more like exemplary.

See how you can manipulate it around and make it into something that can be a resource.

(Your cue KIrsten! Take it!)

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Re: Not sure what to do,
« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2010, 02:25:57 AM »
Hi, nice to meet you!  I am a 16 yo aspie (they think.  the doc wasn't quite sure if it was Asperger's or Autism), and I was only diagnosed in June.  :smile:  My mom has been great, very understanding, is happy for me that I got a Dx, but I still can see what you mean about moving out.  I don't have the independent living skills, things like taking the bus are NOT as simple as some of my friends think they are.  :laugh:  Anyway, welcome!  I hope you like it here.
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Re: Not sure what to do,
« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2010, 04:00:31 AM »
 :welcome3: Ruby

I'm Liz and mom to 10yo twin boys on the spectrum. Even here in Australia, I find there are a lot of organizations that won't even consider training a SD for anyone on the spectrum over the age of 10. Of the groups that do train dogs for children, IMO, have questionable training principles and ethics so I decided to owner-train our dog for one of my boys.

Hopefully your Mom will come around to the idea of the SD. If my father can tell people about his grandsons' diagnosis, there is hope for everybody  :biggrin: (He firmly believed that my brother's down syndrome was caused by a botched forceps delivery)

So welcome. I encourage you to ask as many questions as you like as everybody here is very forthcoming and open.
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Re: Not sure what to do,
« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2010, 04:36:21 AM »
Thank you for all the informative replies, they have been very helpful!  I will have to set to work in figuring out where I can get what I would need to get started, I'd like to have an action plan relatively set up so that when I am in a position to move forward on this I can go right ahead and jump into it if I still think it's a good idea.  I definitely have to wait and see what my situation will be after graduation to be sure I can care for an animal-- I want to wait until I find employment and a place to live and until I am sure everything is relatively stable before even going there-- I work in a shelter and I can't believe how many people there are who are like "oh i adopted this dog but i guess i didnt realize it costs money to feed it lol!" so I have to make sure I have stable income of some kind.  I graduate in May so I'll just have to get settled after that and then see where we are.  My boyfriend seems really enthusiastic about the idea but we will have to discuss it again then, too. 

I wonder where to even begin trying to find the resources I would need.  Coincidentally someone asked already in this forum about resources in Ann Arbor, which also happens to be where I am attending school, but the thread is closed.  I have some experience with researching breeders, but none whatsoever with trainers or what I would look for in someone who trains SDs.  The only trainer I have any experience with trains bomb squad dogs, not quite the same skill set there. :tongue2:

 


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